Cascades Inc. (OTCPK:CADNF) Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call November 9, 2023 9:00 AM ET
Company Participants
Mario Plourde – President & CEO
Allan Hogg – CFO
Charles Malo – President & COO, Containerboard Packaging
Jerome Porlier – President and COO of Specialty Products
Jean-David Tardif – President and COO of Tissue Paper
Luc Langevin – SVP, Corporate Services
Jennifer Aitken – IR
Conference Call Participants
Sean Steuart – TD Cowen
Hamir Patel – CIBC Capital Markets
Matthew McKellar – RBC Capital Markets
Zachary Evershed – National Bank Financial
Frederic Tremblay – Desjardins Capital Markets
Operator
Good morning. My name is Sylvie, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Cascades’ Third Quarter 2023 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator instructions]
I will now pass the call to Jennifer Aitken, Director of Investor Relations for Cascades. Ms. Aitken, you may begin your conference.
Jennifer Aitken
Thank you, Sylvie. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2023 conference call. We will begin with an overview of our operational and financial results, followed by some concluding remarks, after which we will begin the question period.
Today’s speakers will be Mario Plourde, President and CEO, and Allan Hogg, CFO. Also joining us for the question period at the end of the call will be Charles Malo, President and COO of Containerboard Packaging, Jerome Porlier, President and COO of Specialty Products, Jean-David Tardif, President and COO of Tissue Paper, and Luc Langevin, Senior VP of Corporate Services.
Before I turn the call over to my colleagues, I would like to highlight that certain statements made during this call will discuss historical and forward-looking matters. The accuracy of these statements is subject to risk factors that can have a material impact on actual results. These risks are listed in our public filings. These statements, the investor presentation and the press release also include data that are not measures of performance under IFRS. Please refer to our Q3 2023 investor presentation for details. This presentation, along with our third quarter press release, can be found in the Investors section of our website. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact us after the session.
I will now turn the call over to our CEO. Mario?
Mario Plourde
Thank you, Jennifer, and good morning, everyone. Before discussing our result, I would like to announce that we have some sad news this morning. Mr. Bernard Lemaire, founders of our company, died yesterday. Even though Bernard had retired from Cascades several years ago, he remained the heart and the soul of the company and never ceased to inspire us. Cascades will be mourning for this great man and will celebrate his memory and exceptional achievement. On behalf of all Cascades employees, I would like to offer our most sincere condolences to the Lemaire family and Bernard’s loved ones.
Beginning with the calls, we are pleased with our strong Q3 consolidated results, and in particular, the record quarterly performance of our Tissue Paper` segment. On a consolidated basis, sales increased 2% year-over-year, while adjusted EBITDA of $161 million rose 45% from the prior year. In both cases, strong results in the Tissue Paper` segment were the main driver. as benefits from our strategic action yield result. More broadly, year-over-year topline growth benefited from strong volume in Containerboard, which include Bear Island, and a favorable foreign exchange for all of our business segments. While our packaging businesses saw lower average selling prices following the index decrease, the impact at that consolidated level was partially offset by higher selling price in tissue. Year-over-year EBITDA improve was also driven by stronger tissue result and lower raw material prices for all segments. Freight and energy costs were lower, but benefits were largely offset by higher production costs. Sequentially, sales increased 2.6%. This was driven by higher volume in Containerboard and a more favorable mix in Tissue Paper`. Selling prices were lower for both our Containerboard and Tissue Paper` segment. EBITDA increased 14% sequentially. This was driven by improved volume in Containerboard and Tissue Paper` and lower overall production costs.
Raw material prices were headwinds for our packaging businesses, but were tailwinds for our tissue operation. On the raw materials side, highlighted on Slides 5 and 6, the Q3 average index price for OCC decreased 46% year-over-year, but increased 26% from Q2. The OCC market saw a more active export market in Q3, with increased volume to Asia, leading to some pressure on pricing. Seasonal fiber generation remained good, albeit at a slower pace than recent years. We have had no problems supplying the needs of our operation, which have increased with the ramp up of Bear Island. Average Q3 index prices for white recycled paper grades decreased 22% sequentially, and 42% from the prior year levels. We saw favorable market dynamics over Q3, with the index prices continuing to reduce, but at a slower pace than previous quarter, similar trend we’re seeing with the virgin pulp. The hardwood pulp index decreased 20% sequentially and 37% year-over-year, while softwood pulp index prices decreased 14% from Q2 and 28% year-over-year. Market condition has begun to reverse following more demand from China and a scheduled downtime and closure announced at multiple mills in North America. Notwithstanding these changes in the market condition, the material has been readily available for our mills. Near term market dynamics will be influenced by whether or not Asian market continues supporting both export activity and pricing.
Moving now to the results of each of our business segment as highlighted on Pages 7 through 12 of the presentation. Beginning with Containerboard, sequentially, sales increased 6% in Q3. This reflects higher volume due to usual seasonality and the addition of the volume from Bear Island. These were partially offset by the impact from lower average selling prices related to the index exchanges and the less favorable sales mix given the greater weighting of the parent rolls. The 8% increase in shipment reflects increases of 12% in parent rolls and 4% in converted product. Sequentially, converting shipment increased 4.3% in Canada, outperforming the 0.4% increase in the Canadian market. US converting shipment increased 1% above the 0.4% US market increase. Q3 adjusted EBITDA of $101 million or 17% on a margin basis was 5% above the Q2 levels, reflecting higher volume and lower operating costs. These were partially offset by lower selling prices and higher raw material and transportation costs. The contribution of Bear Island improved sequentially, but is still a negative contributor to our performance, given the mill is ramping up. Year-over-year, sales and EBITDA both decreased by 2 million, with the impact of lower selling prices largely offset by higher volumes at the topline, while tailwind at the EBITDA level also include lower raw materials, energy, and transportation costs. Year-over-year shipments increased by 10% in Q3, reflecting a 14% increase in the external parent rolls shipment, largely related to the new Bear Island volume, and a 6% increase in converting shipment. Specifically, converting shipment increase by 5.7% in Canada year-over-year, outperforming the 0.8% increase in the Canadian market. US converting shipment increased 9.5%, once again significantly outperforming the 4% of the US market decrease.
Continuing with our packaging business, Q3 sales levels in our Specialty Products segment decreased by 4% sequentially following lower volume in molded pulp and cardboard product. Production challenge in our molded pulp activity during the quarter are now resolved and volume are expected to be back to normalized level in Q4. EBITDA decreased by $3 million sequentially, driven by lower realized spread in some sub-segments, mainly due to product mix and lower volume. When compared to the prior year, Q3 sales decreased by $11 million or 7%, driven by softer volume, primarily in cardboard, and lower selling prices in almost all subsegments. These were partially mitigated by a more favorable exchange rate. EBITDA level decreased by $4 million year-over-year to $21 million in Q3, as benefit from higher realized spreads were more than offset by the impact from lower volume and higher production costs.
Moving now to our tissue business, which generated a solid quarterly EBITDA margin of 14.5%. This strong performance reflects benefits from favorable raw material pricing and recent wide-ranging commercial, operational, and strategic instances that include the repositioning of this segment’s operational platform. This repositioning included closure of several facilities, all of which have now been completed. The decommissioning process is underway and on schedule, with limited impact on our customer, thanks to good planning by our team and production being shipped to other plants.
Moving now to results, sales were stable sequentially, increasing 1%, which reflects 5% growth in converting side. This was partially offset by lower parent rolls sales following the closure of our St. Helens, Oregon mill, and higher integration within our own network. The average selling price increased by 1%, driven by the lower proportion of parent rolls in the sales mix. The benefit of this, partially offset by a lower average selling price in converted products, that reflects a less favorable mix and lower prices with some key customer due to contracted pricing model agreement. Approximately 50% of our retail volumes are linked to such agreements. Shipments were stable in Q2, reflecting a 5% increase in converted product and a 24% decrease in parent rolls following the closure of the St. Helens mill. Q3 EBITDA, $61 million or 14.5% on a margin basis, improved $17 million or 39% from Q2. This increase was driven by benefits from lower raw material and freight, and a decrease in fixed costs level following the plant closure. These were partially offset by lower selling prices for the converted product and higher energy costs. Year-over-year sales rose 10% with pricing and sales mix initiative and more favorable exchange rate contributing to the stronger performance. EBITDA increased $57 million from the prior year period. This was driven by higher selling prices, favorable sales mix, and lower raw material and energy costs.
Allan will now discuss the main highlight of our financial performance. Allan?
Allan Hogg
Thank you, Mario, and good morning, everyone. So, on Slide 13 and 14, we illustrate the specific items recorded during the quarter. The items that affected EBITDA were $12 million of impairment charges on US assets, restructuring costs related to closure of plans in the US. Slide 15 and 16 illustrate the year-over-year and sequential variance of our Q3 adjusted earnings per share and the reconciliation with the specific items that affected our quarterly results. As reported, Q3 net earnings per share were $0.34. This compared to a net loss per share of $0.02 last year and net earnings per share of $0.22 in Q2 of this year. On an adjusted basis, net earnings per share were $0.44 in the current quarter. This compared to net earnings per share of $0.20 in last year’s results, and net earnings per share of $0.27 in Q2. Year-over-year, this variance mainly reflects improved adjusted EBITDA, partially offset by higher financing expenses, while sequential variance also reflects a positive adjustment of income tax from prior years.
As highlighted on Slide 17, third quarter adjusted cash flow from our operations increased by $53 million year-over-year to $115 million and adjusted cash flow levels improved by $96 million year-over-year. This was driven by high operating results and lower net CapEx paid in the third quarter of 2023.
Slide 18 provides detail about our capital investments. New investments this year totaled $229 million, and paid capital expenditures net of disposal and accounts payable variation totaled $297 million in the first nine months of 2023, including $56 million in Q3. For 2023, our plant capital investments of $225 million have not changed.
Moving now to our net debt reconciliation as detailed on Slide 19, our net debt increased by $12 million in the third quarter, despite stronger cash flow, lower CapEx paid, and positive working capital variance. Exchange rates increased net debt by $47 million during the quarter. Our leverage ratio of 3.8 times is down from 4.1 at the end of Q2 and 4.6 times at the end of Q1. As we have mentioned in the past, it includes the impact of the recent investment and ramp up of operations of the Bear Island facility.
Financial ratios and information about maturities are detained on Slide 20, and other information and analysis can be found on Slides 23 through 29 of the deck. Mario will now conclude the call with some brief comments and our near-term outlook before we begin the question period. Mario?
Mario Plourde
Thank you, Allan. We provide details regarding our near-term outlook on Slide 21 of the presentation. As a reminder, this outlook is based on current forecast and expectation and may change. Our near-term outlook for Containerboard is for results to be softer sequentially. This reflects higher raw material costs and lower selling prices, both of which are linked to indexes, as you know. We also expect volume to decrease in Q4 due to the usual seasonal downswing in the period and a slight softening of demand due to the economic uncertainty. We expect to take approximately 47,000 tons of downtime in the fourth quarter for maintenance and inventory management, which is similar to what we took in Q4 last year. Year-over-year performance is expected to be lower due to the impact from cost inflation, lower selling prices following index price decrease, and higher raw material costs. More broadly, results will benefit from ongoing ramp up of the Bear Island. We are very pleased with the progress, which is on schedule, and our team is focused on ramping up production of lightweight grades.
Results in the Specialty Products segment are expected to be stable sequentially year-over-year. This reflects usual seasonal volume, stable selling prices, trend and raw material costs, and capacity and efficiency improvement in several subsegments. Our outlook for tissue is for fourth quarter results to be stable sequentially, reflecting more favorable raw material and energy costs. Benefit from profitability, productivity, and net working optimization initiatives, and stable volumes. These will be offset by slightly lower pricing connected to contracted input cost adjustment with customer. Results, our forecast to be significantly above the prior year levels, driven by the same factors. Given the very strong results generated by our tissue in Q3, some of you may be questioning whether our 2024 EBITDA target for this business of between $120 million and $140 million is too low. It is a fair question, given that annualizing our Q3 results would bring us well above this range. Let me address the question by saying that we are pleased that the wide-ranging actions put in place have positioned us to be tracking above the high end of this range. Notwithstanding this, and the fact that we are confident about the future performance of this business, we remain prudent given some pricing pressure in the market following the recent drop in raw material costs.
With that, we can open the call for questions. Operator?
Question-and-Answer Session
Operator
[Operator Instructions] And your first question will be from Sean Steuart at TD Securities. Please go ahead.
Sean Steuart
Thank you. Good morning, everyone. A few questions. I’d like to start with Containerboard markets, and getting mixed messaging from a few sources. RISI is showing prices flat in October. The Bloomberg Survey referenced prices declining $20 to $30 a ton across Kraft and recycle grades. With choppy box data of late, can you comment on what you’re seeing in terms of price pressure in the Containerboard market right now?
Charles Malo
So, thank you, Sean, for the question. As you know, I’m not going to comment on the overall market. I can talk about what we’re seeing. So, we are still progressing on the developing business for our business. And that’s really related to the investment that we made in both of our Piscataway facility, also in Ontario major investments. So, that’s sourcing our growth. And also, with the addition of our mill in Bear Island. So, as we see right now, the pricing has followed the index. So, where that follow on the market, but we’re still working with our customers to make sure that we provide them with the right service. The fact also that we’re providing lightweight solutions is probably a positive for Cascades.
Sean Steuart
Thanks for that detail. And with Bear Island specifically, can you give us an indication of startup costs that were embedded in overall third quarter EBITDA, and what’s the timing for the transition to positive EBITDA at the asset?
Charles Malo
Okay. So, we – like Mario mentioned in the introduction, the Q3 was still not positive overall. But the good news for us is in September, we were – we broke the positive side, if I can say like that, and we intend to continue that in in Q4 and ongoing.
Sean Steuart
Okay, that’s encouraging. Last question from me on tissue. The gains that Cascades saw in margins this quarter outpaced the industry, or generally speaking. Can you give updated comments on where the company stands regarding attaining all the benefits through the various restructuring efforts you’ve rolled out in recent quarters? And I presume all the price increases are fully baked into your realizations at this point. But I guess the potential for further margin expansion absent fiber costs volatility and any further gains to be expected on that front.
Mario Plourde
Yes, good morning, Sean. Yes, we believe there’s still potential. We just don’t know about the market, what will happen with the virgin pulp and the recycled fiber prices. But internally, I can say that we have a lot of opportunity and again, network optimization, having the right product being produced at the right mill. Also, in terms of integration, we’re still buying a lot of jumbo roll internally, so optimizing the trims with the converting lines that we have, et cetera. And there’s a important initiative for cost reduction at the mill level. So, we still foresee good improvement, good potential, but overall. what will happen with the market, so what will be the end result in terms of margin. it’s tough to predict, but internally, I can say there’s still a great opportunity to capture.
Sean Steuart
Okay. Thanks very much for that detail. That’s all I have.
Operator
Thank you. Next question will be from Hamir Patel at CIBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
Hamir Patel
Hi. Good morning. Allan, what are you planning for CapEx in 2024? And maybe if you just update us on where you see your leverage ratios going by the end of next year?
Allan Hogg
Well, Hamir, we’re keeping the same target as we disclosed in our strategic plan update, so at $175 million for next year. So, and we feel that our leverage should come within the target range we announced.
Hamir Patel
Great. And Allan, how do you think about, just given Bear Island’s ramping up well, the need to add additional converting capacity and timing of when that capital investment might follow?
Mario Plourde
So, I’m going to take that one, Hamir. So, the plan for us since we started the Bear Island was first to make sure that we set up the mill to run well and follow the ramping up, which is the case right now. So, the product is well received by the market. So, that was our first objective. To optimize the mill was also part of our phase one, which is being done right now and following up. Regarding the integration, I mentioned earlier that our Piscataway and our investment that we made in Ontario in the last two years, we still have room to integrate more volume. So, that’s next step that we’re doing. And for the rest of the integration, we are working and looking at projects, but we are going to look at the $175 million that we set for capital investments, and we’ll follow that path. But the goal is still to work on integration, increase that, once we took the step that I just mentioned.
Hamir Patel
Great. thanks, Charles. That’s all I had. I’ll turn it over.
Operator
Thank you. Next question will be from Matthew McKellar at RBC. Please go ahead.
Matthew McKellar
Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my questions. I’d like to start here. So, so tissue’s running really well. You spoke to your target for that business as it relates to 2024 as well as to your leverage targets. Just more broadly, how are you thinking about your level of confidence around some of those other 2024 targets, and anything that you call out that seemed either more or less achievable at this point?
Mario Plourde
Well, what we can see, Matthew, at this time is that we are still comfortable, even though we are facing some headwinds in our packaging business. But we have, as you saw, strong tailwinds in tissue. So, all in all, I think we’re still comfortable and I think we’ll reconfirm everything in the next – after the fourth quarter. So, but for now, we’re still within the targeted objective we set to the market.
Matthew McKellar
Okay. Thanks for that. Maybe shifting over, I think you mentioned some pricing pressure and tissue as part of your outlook in the prepared comments. Can you talk about what the latest is you’re seeing in that market?
Allan Hogg
Yes, good morning, Matt. Right now, we’re not seeing – we’re seeing pressure in Canada, as you know, from the government against the retailer. So, there’s a lot of discussion around the retail in Canada. We don’t see much pressure elsewhere. I think people are waiting to see what will happen with the raw material pricing, pulp price, SFPI pricing. So, we’re managing. As Mario mentioned, we have a pricing model in place with important customers also. So, we believe we’re kind of protected for an important part of the business. But we’ll continue to work with our customers and follow the market in the coming quarters.
Matthew McKellar
Okay, that’s helpful. Thanks. And then last for me, there was a comment on your molded pulp business of labor challenges limited shipments in the quarter. And I think you previously spoke about some operational issues there. Are you able to provide a bit more color on what happened and whether those challenges are persisting into Q4?
Jerome Porlier
Yes, good morning, Matthew. Jerome speaking. So, in terms of molded pulp, yes, we announced for the Q2 that we had some operational issue that continue part in Q3. However, as mentioned by Mario at the beginning, those operational issues are behind us, and we’re forecasting – foreseeing a good Q4 for the molded pulp because the demand’s still there.
Mario Plourde
So, investment has been made to stabilize and have a stabilized production and have the desired output.
Matthew McKellar
Okay, thanks. That’s all from me. I’ll turn it back.
Operator
Thank you. Next question will be from Zachary Evershed at National Bank. Please go ahead.
Zachary Evershed
Thank you. Good morning, everyone, and congrats on the quarter. As we’re thinking about the sustainability of tissue margins, you did indicate that lower raw material costs contributed $15 million to tissue EBITDA and lower freight was another $1 million. Could you maybe comment about how much of that benefit you can backfill with operational improvement when or if pulp and freight tailwinds begin to fade?
Mario Plourde
I don’t have the exact number, but what I can tell you, as we explained in our Investor Day in Virginia, the tissue business that we have now is much more resilient than it was years ago. So, when you look at the platform that we have with 10 mills instead of 20, with fewer employees, fewer customers, fewer product, I think now we have a much better business that will go through the cycles in the coming year. So, honestly, we won’t see again issues as we saw in 2018 and 2022. I’m really confident that the market will be able – the business, sorry, will be able to follow typical market cycle as our competitors are seeing. But again, we have a much better and stronger business today with the investments also that were done, modernization and closure of older plants, et cetera.
Zachary Evershed
Thanks for that. And then, could I get your view on the supply and demand dynamic in Containerboard going into 2024, given the announcement, recent announcement of mill closures versus new capacity ramping up and what you’re seeing on the ground in terms of consumer demand trends?
Allan Hogg
Okay. So, on the overall market, you all saw the published numbers of the additional capacity and also the closure. As we speak right now, I’m going to use what was published. There’s – with a 1.4 growth on the market with the demand, the market in the mid to long term seems to be better the way we see it right now. And on our side, you’re seeing that we’re taking the steps to make sure that we’re balancing also our inventory level based on the demand. So, the other thing that I would add to this is, Cascades is a lot better equipped right now with about 1.1 million, 1.4 million tons, sorry, of volume on the Containerboard side that is tier one. So, we’re better equipped to compete. So, I would just say that we are going to manage on our side based on the market condition. But the mid to long term seems to be looking good right now overall in the market.
Zachary Evershed
Good color. Thanks. And just one last one, you guys are outperforming box shipments in Canada and the US. Obviously, there’s a contribution there from Bear Island. Is anything else lifting that?
Mario Plourde
Well, the – mainly when we look at the performance that we are doing compared to the market is really based on the – yes, we have been focusing our sales team on specific markets that are growing a bit faster than the average market right now. So, meaning like the e-comm and distribution, so, which is helping us. One of the markets that is not doing as good for the time being just because of the economy is the industrial. So, it’s about 15% of the volumes overall. When we look at the market, our strategy has been to focus on faster growing market and it’s paying off. But in addition to that, as I mentioned earlier, the growth is also coming largely because of the investment that we made in Piscataway, which has been very good for Cascades, statistically well located, and servicing also markets that are growing faster than the average. And the same thing also in our region in Ontario, when you look at the overall, the Ontario market is more than 50% of the overall market in Canada. And that’s where we decided to make a major investment to align our capacity to service the market.
Zachary Evershed
Very helpful. Thanks. I’ll turn it over.
Operator
[Operator instructions]. And your next question will be from Frederic Tremblay – Desjardins Capital Markets.
Frederic Tremblay
Thank you. First my condolences to the Cascades team following the passing of Mr. Lemaire.
Mario Plourde
Thank you.
Frederic Tremblay
Sorry if I missed it, but maybe as a follow up to the last question there on Containerboard, I’m just trying to figure out, what would’ve been the shipment growth from your legacy operations if we exclude the contribution from new capacity and Bear Island. Can you provide some comments on that?
Mario Plourde
No, we’re not going to comment on this since we have a – we look at the overall network that we have. And this is what we’re doing right now. And when we’re making our decision of where the volume is going to be produced, we’re making our decision on what brings the most profitability to Cascades. So, again, we’re seeing this as an overall, so we’re not going to disclose any specific counting the old or new or facility in the network.
Frederic Tremblay
Okay, understood. Switching to tissue on the away from home, just curious to get your thoughts on what you’re seeing in that market right now, and what are your expectations as we sort of progressed in an uncertain economic environment? Is that an area where you’re seeing some weakness now or has it been fairly resilient so far?
Jean-David Tardif
Good morning, Frederic. So, it’s been stable, honestly. I think everybody’s waiting to see what will happen. It’s a big question mark for sure. One thing also we’ve done internally is that business now represents one third of her business versus almost 50%. So, and we gained some flexibility. So, we’re less at risk than were towards away from home versus few years ago, first thing. The other thing is, October was our best month for the year, so in terms of case shift. So, I think overall it shows that the market is still solid. But as I said earlier, I think we’ve picked the right customer also, as Charles mentioned, having the right customer who are growing in those difficult periods. And I think the mix of product that we have, which is not in the ultra-segment, is also helping us. We’re not really strong in the office channel either. So, it’s also somewhere where we’re gaining. So, overall, I think we’re still optimistic and positive about that business, but for sure, there’s a lot of uncertainty, as you all know, but nobody knows exactly what will happen next year. But I think we are, again, much better positioned to go to the coming quarters.
Frederic Tremblay
Great. That’s it for you. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Plourde, please continue.
Mario Plourde
Yes, thank you, everyone, for being on the line this morning and looking forward to talk to you with the fourth quarter. Have a good day. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s conference. You may now disconnect your lines.
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